> OBC Quota and reservation policy

Safin

who the hell is this savin now

Acche bhale naam ka faluda bana diya

(@angrez, get lost, the nerve of you asking for a translation

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dsarosh

Originally Posted by Nikhil

My dear man,

Kill those baastids who act like this. Simple. Whether they are brahmins, Kshatriyas, or whatever. It makes no sense whatsoever.

And this mentality is there because the politicians have encouraged it over the past 60 yrs. Initially it was the British who encouraged it for their reasons. now, the politicians do it. To their own country.

Uneducated people are the easiest to brainwash. That is what is happening. If you educate people, you wont have this problem.

The law is not strong enough to protect all the low casts from the high casts.
Do you really think the problem will be solved by jailing the high caste who kill the low casts? Theres only 1% of the cases that you hear about anyway.

For 5 decades the high caste have kept the low cast out... out of govt., out of education, out of police, out of everything....

The police and the policies have not helped.
So once again, reservations is the LEAST that can be done for them.

dsarosh

Well, about 80% of India lives in rural places right?
So do you not want to care for them just to ensure justices in the few cities of India?

My initial point was that even the people who made the reservation requests probably knew very well that not everyone who came through reservation deserve it.
There is no question about it, no one expects everyone from the resrvation to be even equal to the general category student.

But this is the only way to improve their situation. Unfortunately in India there is no other way.

There was someone above who said "in India everyone is equal", unfortunately that is completely fasle. Indians are a very very divided people. Indians have killed each other over caste, over religion, and even over political parties.

When we pay our telephone bills, then 1% is added to it as various taxes? Is that fair?
It may not be fair, but it is the only way to ensure some sort of justice.

khimera

Originally Posted by dsarosh

Well, about 80% of India lives in rural places right?
So do you not want to care for them just to ensure justices in the few cities of India?

Rural population should be given quota . But not caste quota

and for the guys who stay in cities, caste quota should be abandoned.

Safin

Originally Posted by dsarosh

Well, about 80% of India lives in rural places right?
So do you not want to care for them just to ensure justices in the few cities of India?

My initial point was that even the people who made the reservation requests probably knew very well that not everyone who came through reservation deserve it.
There is no question about it, no one expects everyone from the resrvation to be even equal to the general category student.

But this is the only way to improve their situation. Unfortunately in India there is no other way.

There was someone above who said "in India everyone is equal", unfortunately that is completely fasle. Indians are a very very divided people. Indians have killed each other over caste, over religion, and even over political parties.

When we pay our telephone bills, then 1% is added to it as various taxes? Is that fair?
It may not be fair, but it is the only way to ensure some sort of justice.

You pay the 1% to serve your nation. Its given back to you, equally.
If its given back to certain group, that group is responsible to make the most of it. It can't be a lifelong grant.

Indians are one divided people. Thats one great statement coming when you said you love your country. Yaa we are divided, then reservations aren't really helping us bridge that divide.

For 5 decades the high caste have kept the low cast out... out of govt., out of education, out of police, out of everything....

Excuse me. Out by force? or by exams.
Either way merit can't be the sole judge. Opportunity to compete must be provided and thats limited economically. Plus we have a lot of babu's and people of reserved categories in government jobs now. They key point is once you have benefitted from reservation. you should not benefit again. The deserving people should.

Economic reservations won't at all be opposed.

khimera

Yeah. I dont know which part of "Economically background quota" ppl dont understand and say caste quota is good

Agnel

Originally Posted by khimera

Rural population should be given quota . But not caste quota and for the guys who stay in cities, caste quota should be abandoned.

There a loads of them who come to the cities with dreams of making it big, who sleep on the platform and study under street lights to get into IIMs. Those ppl do need reservations even thou they are cities.

If its given back to certain group, that group is responsible to make the most of it. It can't be a lifelong grant.

It has to be until it reaches everyone. But as i keep telling, most of the indians are selfish! They will misuse this reservation.

Opportunity to compete must be provided and thats limited economically. Plus we have a lot of babu's and people of reserved categories in government jobs now. They key point is once you have benefitted from reservation. you should not benefit again. The deserving people should.

Economic reservations won't at all be opposed.

Rightly said. Should we stop considering the future generations of such people for reservations? cos we have given them a chance to prove and if they don't grab it then the future generations need to be part of the common group!

First of all, just cos your are from a backward caste doesn't automatically mean u are eligible for reservation. The rules need to be refined

khimera

Originally Posted by Agnel

There a loads of them who come to the cities with dreams of making it big, who sleep on the platform and study under street lights to get into IIMs. Those ppl do need reservations even thou they are cities.

Take it from me, This has never happened and will never happen. They may come to cities with dreams of making big but not joining IIMS (ever looked at the fees taken by esteemed IIMS?)

They can only get poorer by joining IIMs

Anyways, what I still say is reservations based on economic background will and should be entertained but not caste quota.If someone needs caste quota then we should do their brain analysis

Agnel

It is possible. i've read some stories, about an IIM graduate who's mom used to sell idlies on the road side

I am talking about such people also.

Reservation based on economic bg?

Even the richest ar$e will go and live in a hut and prove he is a poor dog