> OBC Quota upheld.

Nikhil

Originally Posted by dsarosh

When the high caste dont allow the low caste to take water from their wells do they consider economies or do they consider caste?

Dude,you are missing the point. Even poor bhramins have killed richer high class people for the simple reason of caste.

Im afraid you are making no sense dude.

My dear man,

Kill those baastids who act like this. Simple. Whether they are brahmins, Kshatriyas, or whatever. It makes no sense whatsoever.

And this mentality is there because the politicians have encouraged it over the past 60 yrs. Initially it was the British who encouraged it for their reasons. now, the politicians do it. To their own country.

Uneducated people are the easiest to brainwash. That is what is happening. If you educate people, you wont have this problem.

Safin

dsarosh there are couple of very bad arguments you have made.

And it is true that there are many people who really waste their college admission only because their parents are rich enough to afford it. That is an even worse waste of education.

Right. I can ask what about the equal and a much higher percentage of students who have been given quota's who squander away the opportunity by not studying and on other activities. I have seen people from ST/SC class waste and while away their time at my college and at work. Yes the rich, upper caste guys do it too but they are wasting their own cash. Not mine. Its like me taking a loan and then wasting that cash. There is a difference. Majority of cases, the reserved candidates are not exactly the studious types, and i have seen them loitering around and not attending any classes only to come and sit in the exams. (This is not even talking OBC's who in most cases are as good or worse off than upper castes economically atleast judging by the people we have been with in schools, colleges and at work)
Its not a right of an individual to be granted a quota. Its just a help he is getting for the past wrongs against his community and is a way for the society to say sorry. You have to make the most of it. Its a responsibility. Others are sacrificing their own education and money to finance you.

They study more than any upperclass student and get the high grades from their board exams, and then they find that the price of the text books for courses like BE and MBBS are about 10 times the salary of his parents. And that travelling to college even by bus or train is going to bring his entire family into poverty.

We find it hard too. You are confused between castes and economic conditions. The latter is a valid point for reservations.

But it is because of the high caste people once again that the poor cannot take full advantage of this.
I know plenty rich students who will make friends with the librarian and submit some false certificate claiming that they are poor and take away all the benifits meant for the real poor.

Sorry that's also not very true. Your premise is again on poor and not on caste. But lets keep it caste. Who takes the benefits away from the low castes? The elite people of the so called low caste take the benefits away from their own caste. They submit the creamy layer certificates not the high class people. The deserving guys never make it. So if there is anyone to blame for the reforms not percolating through, them blame the people of that caste who are now slightly better off.

Now whom does this corruption gain and whom does it harm?
Obviously the people doing the corruption are the ones who are in power and who hold positions of power.... i.e. the high class people, or what you may call the middle class.

I think one of the most obvious places to see people who have gotten through reservation is in government jobs especially at the lower levels and thats one of the prime places for corruption. High castes don't dominate the jobs, not anymore. Not that they aren't really any less corrupt in those positions but to say the reserved category ones are absolutely clean is being naive.

megavan

We all wanted SC to entirely turn down this quota request but I think the decision it has come out with can still be viewed as a step in the right direction as it excludes the creamy layer. So we can hope any future quota proposals will only include the truly backward of the community unlike previously where everybody from a caste benefited whether they deserved to or not. Of course a few will still resort to fraud but a few won't and those few seats can go to the deserving ones

Safin

^^ Only we all know the creamy layer is mostly abused and no one ever falls under its domain.
Plus the government is already contemplating a hike in the level that constitutes creamy layer.

khimera · 08:04 PM

Whatever anyone here has to say, In the metros and cities, the reservations are being exploited just because ppl have caste quotas and other ppl dont. And whatever ppl may say, low caste not being allowed to drink well from water or water from well, it may happen in rural areas( in that case give them the quotas based on economical postition, bcoz obviously he will be much poorer than others), but in urban areas, if one is supposed to have a quota, then it should purely depend on how economical a family is and not on what caste that family belongs to. If someone staying in urban area says that quotas are good and should be based on caste, then he has got his reasoning wrong due to obvious reasons. Quotas should be based on economical grounds. That way, whether high caste or low caste or whether he is from a village or city, everything will be covered. If you base the quota systems on caste alone, it may work in villages and small towns to an extent but will certainly be exploited in larger towns, cities and metros where almost all education centres are based. Thats why i say creamy layer, OBC and caste quotas, my foot!!!!

Safin

If you base the quota systems on caste alone, it may work in villages and small towns to an extent but will certainly be exploited in larger towns, cities and metros where almost all education centres are based

In villages its no different.
The problem is only the few elite in the low caste gain the fruits of reservation. The poor among such castes never get anything out of reservations.

ashoknaval

Friends

Do you think there should be a separate seat for Sc/St and obc etc? Ever indians are considered as one. When every one is considered equal whats there for Sc/St and OBC etc. This is utter nonsense. Who is qualified should get the seat and not on the basis of caste or religion.. I am really against of this!

Agnel

Originally Posted by ashoknaval

Friends

Do you think there should be a separate seat for Sc/St and obc etc? Ever indians are considered as one. When every one is considered equal whats there for Sc/St and OBC etc. This is utter nonsense. Who is qualified should get the seat and not on the basis of caste or religion.. I am really against of this!

Safin has already said this earlier

Its not a right of an individual to be granted a quota. Its just a help he is getting for the past wrongs against his community and is a way for the society to say sorry. You have to make the most of it. Its a responsibility.

ashoknaval

Thanks Agnel for the update.. Yeah i agree with Savin. I am sorry for missing savins post about it.