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Posted in Chit Chat; kahin pit to nahin gaye, bahane bana rahe ho @angrez: leave it bro Btw this is a prime example how politicians can bring out issues which might exist right out ...

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Old 12-02-08, 09:56 PM
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kahin pit to nahin gaye, bahane bana rahe ho

@angrez: leave it bro


Btw this is a prime example how politicians can bring out issues which might exist right out into the open and create tension and disturbance for own gains.
Someone rightly said, if they are indeed worried(i say they as Uddhav has jumped in also) about the Maharashtrians they should be more worried about the SEZ's that will be opened in Maharastra thats gonna bring in more "foreign staters" and more importantly displace the poor farmers. But those guys are too few and too petty to fight over.

Anyway this is nothing new. South India has seen a anti hindi riot also and its spreading to north now. Thankfully the northern states share a language in Hindi so we are safe there
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Old 12-02-08, 10:48 PM
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kahin pit to nahin gaye, bahane bana rahe ho

@angrez: leave it bro
Mujhe marathi aati hai...if i was stuck in such a situation, thoda bahot bolke nikal leta main... Thts why learning new languages sometimes proves to be good for ur health too...

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Btw this is a prime example how politicians can bring out issues which might exist right out into the open and create tension and disturbance for own gains.
Someone rightly said, if they are indeed worried(i say they as Uddhav has jumped in also) about the Maharashtrians they should be more worried about the SEZ's that will be opened in Maharastra thats gonna bring in more "foreign staters" and more importantly displace the poor farmers. But those guys are too few and too petty to fight over.

Anyway this is nothing new. South India has seen a anti hindi riot also and its spreading to north now. Thankfully the northern states share a language in Hindi so we are safe there
Well, demagoguery is in their blood. They know exactly the issues which can incite communal disturbances and prove to be beneficial for their political careers. Thr is no doubt tht the last week or so has gained Raj the kind of limelight which he cud have only dreamed of before. This is what he needs so tht more ppl get to know about him.. negative or positive publicity, doesnt matter...
And i'm afraid, he has successfully achieved his motive. If he goes to jail, he'll become an even bigger hero for the masses.

But his politics can only be described as penny-wise, pound-foolish.. He has alienated himself from a much bigger votebank in the process..
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Old 13-02-08, 04:27 AM
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need to shoot those idiots to death


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Old 13-02-08, 09:21 AM
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i don't think its bad politics. He was nobody before he did this. He wasn't even in the local newspapers. So any votes for him is good politics. He is cutting into Shiv Sena traditional votebank and thats why they are also upping the ante.

Raj has nothing to lose, everyone else has everything to lose. Whatever happens now, he will profit, whether he goes to jail or he doesn't.
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His party still won't get any votes. And I can give you a simple reason - the people who are rioting or supporting the rioting (I'm not talking about supporting anti-immigration measures, I mean the actual physical altercations) are all his party members. He hasn't really been able to inspire any hatred in anyone else.
End result, the issue is raked up, but the Shiv Sena will benefit a bit. Not him. Also, the north Indians will now probably vote for the Congress. The NCP is a mostly Maharashtra party, so the N. Indians are unlikely to vote for them.
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Well that might well happen.
But even if he increases his vote share from 0.5 to 5 thats still something for him and i am sure he has done that much. Plus if he does somehow win some seats then these days even 2-3 MLA's are kingmakers.


Whats interesting is that looking at the bigger picture, you tend to see that the people from Maharashtra and below haven't gone up North to settle as much as the Northies have gone down South. There are hardly the same issues in Northern states and lets forget about the east north states, lets talk of Punjab, Haryana. THe Northies can go and settle down south but same somehow is not true about the Southies. And these are prosperous states.
I can think of the reason as the kind of jobs on offer are in the primary sector but then there are still lots of offers as farms. Somehow the people from South don't prefer such jobs. Having said that people from say Bihar have been coming to Punjab for long(look at Chandigarh) and i don't think the people who live there feel to happy about it either. These guys bring in their own culture and most of the times the rising crime is blamed on them(not that the original natives are too good on that themselves but its easy to find scapegoats and its backed by stats also). But you can't do anything about it as mostly the natives don't want to take the petty jobs, everyone sees the dollars in canada and europe. They will do the petty jobs there, not here.

So coming back on topic, the low income migration hasn't happened from the Southern states. Actually its the states of UP and Bihar that people have gone out and that again tells you the solution to the problem. Once this happens, its but obvious that these people will face problem. Because where(in the states) they are taking the low income jobs that are actually being competed by the locals, there will be resentment.
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His party still won't get any votes. And I can give you a simple reason - the people who are rioting or supporting the rioting (I'm not talking about supporting anti-immigration measures, I mean the actual physical altercations) are all his party members. He hasn't really been able to inspire any hatred in anyone else.
End result, the issue is raked up, but the Shiv Sena will benefit a bit. Not him. Also, the north Indians will now probably vote for the Congress. The NCP is a mostly Maharashtra party, so the N. Indians are unlikely to vote for them.
^ I agree with you. Those who are rioting are his goondas. If he thinks tht the common marathi maanus will come to his aide then he is grossly mistaken. That is because many maharashtrians have voiced their discontent with his ways, since, their daily lives are getting disrupted too because of all this commotion.
I was at prime ABGB yesterday, and the guy at the front desk, Swapnil (A maharashtrian) was literally fuming as he was unable to go home because of the tense situation on the road. Most common working class feel the same way. Afterall, at the end of the day, its the money tht runs a household and not somebody's petty political aspirations at the cost of the common man.
And to think of it, Mumbai doesnt really have a majority of the native community. This place is a melting pot and its hard to say whether its the gujjus,muslims, bhayyas or the maharashtrians who are in majority here. Add to tht the educated class, who dont really for such mind games by the politicians. So his vote bank has really shrinked further. The lowest class of natives may think of him as a messiah in disguise, but their population dont make a considerable difference to win elections in Mumbai. They are outdone by the migrant population, who'll never even think of voting for this idiot. Most Educated Maharashtrians wudnt either...Maybe the samajwadi party will gather some lost ground due the new found faith of the migrants, who may think of SP as their saviour now in troubled times (though they are no better than Raj)...

The days ahead are full of turmoil...not for the friggin politicians..but for the common working class mumbaikar...
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I seriously don't care about what's going on right now. But the influx of migrants from other places needs to stop. There's only so much that the infrastructure in mumbai can take and it's already past it's breaking point. Something needs to be done and fast............
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I seriously don't care about what's going on right now. But the influx of migrants from other places needs to stop. There's only so much that the infrastructure in mumbai can take and it's already past it's breaking point. Something needs to be done and fast............

Is this coming from a FEite? As said, if someone really feel it cant take anymore why they dont leave mumbai? Its rule of nature, as long as it benefits to come here people will come. And indian constitution allows me to roam freely in any part of india as per my wish. Leave the rest to laws of nature.
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^ I agree with you. Those who are rioting are his goondas. If he thinks tht the common marathi maanus will come to his aide then he is grossly mistaken. That is because many maharashtrians have voiced their discontent with his ways, since, their daily lives are getting disrupted too because of all this commotion.
I was at prime ABGB yesterday, and the guy at the front desk, Swapnil (A maharashtrian) was literally fuming as he was unable to go home because of the tense situation on the road. Most common working class feel the same way. Afterall, at the end of the day, its the money tht runs a household and not somebody's petty political aspirations at the cost of the common man.
And to think of it, Mumbai doesnt really have a majority of the native community. This place is a melting pot and its hard to say whether its the gujjus,muslims, bhayyas or the maharashtrians who are in majority here. Add to tht the educated class, who dont really for such mind games by the politicians. So his vote bank has really shrinked further. The lowest class of natives may think of him as a messiah in disguise, but their population dont make a considerable difference to win elections in Mumbai. They are outdone by the migrant population, who'll never even think of voting for this idiot. Most Educated Maharashtrians wudnt either...Maybe the samajwadi party will gather some lost ground due the new found faith of the migrants, who may think of SP as their saviour now in troubled times (though they are no better than Raj)...

The days ahead are full of turmoil...not for the friggin politicians..but for the common working class mumbaikar...
You are proably seeing only one side of the story....i am in Nasik right now....there were a few incidents here but on the whole the city was quite.
And talking about ppl's reaction to this...Most ppl i know or whom i spoke arent against Raj Thackery....not everyone was happy with the violence but everyone is happy that the issue of migrants has been brought up because its a real big problem!!
And ppl i am talking about are all well educated.....

Just to give you an example....There is an area near my grandparents place where all vegetable vendors are north indians and a couple of weeks back there was a huge protest against these vendors are they were using wrong weights or magnets etc to overcharge ppl....

Also in the industrial area's here there were reports of 'dada-giri' of the north indian workers(i dont know how true this is)...so they were one of the first to be targeted and many have left the city...

There a certain problems which are true and thats why most Maharashtrians are supporting Raj Thackery who has brought up an issue which is genuine...


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Is this coming from a FEite? As said, if someone really feel it cant take anymore why they dont leave mumbai? Its rule of nature, as long as it benefits to come here people will come. And indian constitution allows me to roam freely in any part of india as per my wish. Leave the rest to laws of nature.
But we need some balance also....you dont want suck out a place bone dry...right??
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