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So whose Bombay is it anyway?

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 Old 13 Feb 08, 06:53 PM
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Well you might say, mumbai earns so much for the country and yet its in deplorable state. But so is many other cities. Its not coz some one dislikes mumbai or other cities. But its for providing for fellow indians. Someone has to provide food and clothing if not shelter, to those indians who live in utter powerty of villages. And its done in a legitimate way by letting them work, instead of looting. Stop people from working and what u get is anarchy.

Its natural to disguise own incompetence in work and society as love for local customs and people. Its natural to cover up their own lack of commitment and inefficiency to book the offenders of law and working for welfare of public in the name of passion for historical heroes.

On a side note this is what rediff has to say on happenings of nashik,
However, the local industries have been hit by the large-scale migration, especially in the Ambad Maharashtra Industrial Development Corporation area. Nearly 40 per cent small and medium industries in the Ambad industrial area have been closed due to this migration.

He said if the same situation continued for three four more days, it will affect even the Marathi workers as the production will come to a standstill and the other workers will have no work.
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 Old 13 Feb 08, 08:13 PM
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The Past has repeated itself.....

Raj tried to pull a Bal Thakeray by setting up arrest Drama, as the news suggests....it happened 3-4 years back, when Bal Thakeray got publicity the similar way.

But the questions is will he be able to pull it off???
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 Old 13 Feb 08, 08:25 PM
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And just what makes u think tht there are no maharashtrian taxi drivers here?? Agreed, the bhaiyyas outnumber them, but there are still a considerable number of native taxi drivers. So, do you want to say tht only those native taxi drivers take care of their taxis and keep them in good condition?? Or that only bhaiya taxi drivers turn a blind eye to traffic rules and jump signals?? Tht is the flaw in ur logic. Its not the Bhaiyya or bihari or maharashtrian who u can blame for not abiding by the traffic rules, its about the individual and every individual is different. You cannot blame the whole community if one person makes a mistake.!!
I never said there arent any maharashtrains taxi drivers but the overwhelming majority is north indians and of course the decision is always that of the majority...its a simple logic...

Well this discussion has no end....its a democracy and we are all entitled to our opinions!
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 Old 13 Feb 08, 08:57 PM
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b/w our opinions will not matter to them, until voiced properly !!!

Politicians will play with people's lives...go ahead with such sarcasm & will always try to find some points against some or the other
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 Old 13 Feb 08, 09:44 PM
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Morons... Spreading in whole maharashtra now... M so damn annoyed.
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 Old 13 Feb 08, 10:35 PM
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Annoyed my foot....I would like to keeeeel them personally if I meet any of them in front of me
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 Old 13 Feb 08, 10:44 PM
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Well u wont meet them personally... U will meet the *mob*. And in mob, one is more powerful than he really is, as an individual.

M worried for my friends in Pune.
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 Old 13 Feb 08, 11:34 PM
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Dont worry you are there naa....you'll take care of them
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 Old 14 Feb 08, 12:50 PM
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Some dangerous opinions have been expressed in this thread which i believe are direct consequences of the lopsided growth of cities and states in India.

And a quick little note for all the people who seem to support anti-immigration measures. Remember two things:
1. Locals probably wouldn't do many of the menial jobs.
2. A lot of Mumbai's success is because it is the city of dreams. Everyone wants to come there, setup there. Of late a lot of companies have left mumbai, and such agitations will only increase that outflow. That will be really bad for the city.
That is true however the problem arises when the locals want to do the so called menial jobs. Giving credit where its due, I have always noticed that the people from Bihar, UP are enterprising hard working lot(even though they bend the rules and in some cases work hard to debauch later) and they tend to make money out of things that no one else thought you could make money out of. The locals might not not necessarily want to take the jobs they do at the start but when they see them getting rich, they get jealous. This happens everywhere. In most cases they are too lazy to do it or think of it themselves and when they see the people from outside coming and getting richer they start thinking of ways to replicate that.

One of the worst things that i am starting to hear is that we are now starting to divide ourselves in regions, north, south, west(east anyway from assam onwards never really felt part of India thanks to the wonderful policies we have had). It just doesn't augur well for India as a country if this goes on. If people start feeling possessive about their own states then no one can save this country. Here is an example right from Maharashtra. Right within maharashtra vidarbha provides the maximum power to the state and in return gets the least power. It basically provides the light so that the Mumbai guys can hava a gala time while the farmers here have to do with 12 hours powercuts not to forget the normal cities that go with 8 hour powercuts. There is a huge demand from everyone cutting across any race or caster barriers that Vidarbha should be own state and the power should be provided to its people not to the people of Mumbai. If Mumbai guys start saying its their city and everyone else can go to hell, the same arguments will be applied everywhere.

Those who think Mumbai can survive by its marathi population are living in fools paradise. Mumbai became what it is by its plurality. If the plurality is gone, so will the business go. The argument that city is getting too many migrants so stop migrants is also a bad one. All cities world over grow this way. They do so cos the jobs are in the cities. Even if we are to develop the hinterland, the ports will still get the people. The important thing is to develop the infrastructure. Having said that you can't deelop the infrastructure without the people. What Marathi's are claiming is that only the marathi's get the jobs to develop and then the rich come from all over India and they only should get to have all the fruits of their wealth. Very often the people will come from other states(the rich ones) cos of their jobs and if you are going to throw them out, the companies will go to.

Also many people tend to forget(atleast its true in Delhi) is that most migrants are also from Bangladesh. The slimy rotten lot are first grade thieves. They register themselves as Indians and get away with it after bribing the local authorities.

That brings me to another point. Most local officials in Maharastra are local Marathi's. So if there is illegal construction, shanties coming up, they are the ones who take the bribe. There is this case of an outstanding IAS officer whom i have had a chance to meet, T chandrashekhar(Mumbai Matters: Farewell Dr. T)(a south Indian mind you) who changed the landscape of Nagpur while he was in Nagpur and then he was handpicked to take up the job in Thane and as CEO of MHADA. While in Nagpur he threw out all illegal shanties and constructed world class roads and took up beautification work on war footing. Everybody is reaping the benefits of what he did. He lands up in Thane and then in Mumbai and the local politicians and the people in power along with the offices make life hell for him. Unless ther eis support, nothing is ever gonna happen. Her is a guy trying to solve the illegal construction problem and no one raises a voice to support him. Everyone is on the streets to create chaos though. But when you could have fought a silent battle and stood by a man who was genuinely trying to solve a problem, no one stood by him.

How long is someone going to harp the "This is a democracy and i am free to do whatever i want" line until it's bad enough ? i dunno where you live but currently mumbai is stuck between a hard place and rock. Add to that the influx of people thats alarming ! I am not blaming any section or strata of the society here but something has to be done here for the good of the city that we all love so much. If nothing's done soon enough to tackle this issue then i'm afraid mumbai is going to go down pretty soon......
Yea Delhi will say that next and next Bangalore will say it.
Bangalore will say go back all marathi IT guys cos you are destroying the traditional culture(they will say the same to other north Indians) and the delhites will say we don't want anything to do with the south cos as it is they care very less about what happens down south. In Punjab the only thing people care about the South is the engineering colleges and now they are starting to come up within the state, they care about nothing. So basically we should all live within our own states. (Have a division on linguistic lines(which will distinctly put the Notrth Indians ahead cos of a very common language) and split the country in 3 parts. There is a reason we keep harping on democracy cos without it this country can't go forward. Its diverse and one of the ways to hold it is by getting people to move and stay in other places. If we have a problem in Kashmir today its cos the Kashmiri hindus have been thrown out and we just have a particular religious faith people remaining and no Indian can take up residence there so that there is always a threat of that state revolting as it doesn't know anything or is connected with anything Indian.

City wise divisions won't take this country anywhere. (More at night )
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 Old 14 Feb 08, 01:04 PM
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