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 Old 18 Jul 07, 08:59 PM
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Its a contentious topic but part of the problem is that no one takes up contentious topics and debates them. Unless you bring out the problems and hear others out, no one will make any progress.

Ok here goes.
Lets have recent events only
1) 3 indian born highly educated Muslims plan to bomb Glasgow over (as its being claimed) Salman Rushdie being awarded KnightHood.
2) In Pakistan, radicals take over a so called massage parlour and drag out the chinese and hold them hostage. Leads to a standoff which eventually leads to a bloodbath.
3) Just yesterday, a hardline radical womans organization in Kashmir exhorts women to carry knives with them and attack Indian forces in Kashmir. She further accuses the Indian armed forces of trying to corrupt Kashmiris by bringing bad things into their society in starting relief camps.

Errm ok now being devils advocate, i can agree that giving Rushdie knighthood was a rather foolish move which UK knew would antagonize the Muslims knowing the strong views Islam has with regard to Rushdie. Whether this was a deliberate move by UK or a foolish mistake is debatable. On the second point, if its to be believed, some porno massage clubs were being operated for the Chinese and as far as 3rd point goes its quite true that in recent times there have been isolated cases some black sheeps indulging in eve teasing and all in Kashmir.

But does all this justify the reactions. Someone blames the whole army for the problem while another individual decides to blow off an airport to take revenge.

The argument that is given, and its the same one everywhere, is that Muslims are the oppressed lot and they are frustrated so take these steps. My question how is it that they are oppressed in every country of the world. USA, UK, France, Balkans, Middle East, India. Indonesia and even China. Even worse they are oppressed in countries that are ruled by Muslims and their own rulers.
Everyday some new cleric invents a new definition of jihad and irrespective of the country, every one of the Muslim world associates himself with events anywhere else. Now this itself is unique. You won't find this close association for any religion where instead people are split on linguistic or country lines. Hardly are people united across borders but its the case in Islam. Which in itself won't be a bad thing if they used this collective unity to improve the conditions of each other. You have instead the exact opposite. The rich and the educated instead provide funding to Madrassas where newer interpretations of Jihad are taught. Science is skewed. And young men are taught that martyrdom will take them to heaven where they will find (some number) of virgin women Its even more shameful that educated people fund these "schools" when they should be spending the money to provide better education. Another of the Islamic argument is that people are poor and are disillusioned. A lot of people in other religions are also. They don't go around bombing others. Here they do so cos the clerics teach them that doing so will take them to heaven where there problems will be solved.

Till now we all said that the educated "silent majority" of the Muslims has to come forward and refute the vociferous minority of hardliners, but is that even the case? Look at the people carrying out attacks now. These aren't unemployed guys or guys from poor backgrounds. Well educated living in metropolitan areas and still following the path of terror. Its starting to look pretty grim now.
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 Old 18 Jul 07, 09:22 PM
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Like always, a few have misunderstood islam. You can't make ppl realize certain things, they gotta realize it themselves.
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 Old 18 Jul 07, 09:29 PM
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Yaa and while we all wait, everyone suffers terror.
Its one of those times where i think America's proactive policy of preemptive strikes is better than to do nothing.
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its not gonna help..its a vicious circle...the americans strike their countries, they name it a modern day crusade against their religion and kill more ppl in the name of jehad...it'll just go on n on... its one of those topics where my optimism about the world just fades away...given their sheer numbers and among them the number of ppl ready to fall for some twisted logic by their preachers(including highly educated ppl as seen recently) i'm afraid, darker days are ahead.....
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I am unable to understand one thing.
They call it jihad, but still they fight and do all sorts of bad things inside their country and against their own people.
Why use religion for all the wrong deeds and call it holy?
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N the biggest irony is tht they r the ones killing thousands of innocent ppl around the world, resorting to all sorts of terrible violent activities, hijacking planes, bombing trains, buses, subways and religious places(including their own..) and still say that they are being oppressed and treated badly.... yeah right..talk about double standards..
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^^ and you know what they call these innocent victims?

martyrs
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Thtas right and if this was in one part of the world one can still understand, but its the case anywhere. Even in the middle east, under their own rule and rich oil reserves we have guys like Saddam to impose rule of law. Now no saddam and see where Iraq is heading.
They have the wealth but they are not ready to change their thinking. The midset is primitive. Thats the problem.
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I dont wanna post my views, as it may lead to flaming
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^^ yesh you'll be flamed literally by fundamentalists.. lolzzz
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