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 Old 11 Mar 08, 02:08 PM
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News Your opinion on farm loan waiver

So what are you guys thinking about the biggest economic move done in this years budget. A 60000 crore(600 billion) farm waiver of loans to all the farmers who have borrowed money from registered government banks and have holdings of less than 2 hectares.

Now there are obviously arguments to be made on both sides. While the print and the news media by and large highlight the bad points, lets look at the good points on how this move benefits the farmers.

1) For starters the people who were being driven into despair by being heavily in debt now can breath easy with the loan waiver. Even though it will benefit some smaller group, its still benefiting someone which is a good thing.
2) The other advantage is that the group of people can now take advantage of the cheaper credit rates at 7% as against the double digit rates they took their loans at. (more about 16%) So there is a better chance of them repaying it in future now that the amount is lesser.

I think the above are good valid points and to make arguments that its a populist budget and so bad in a way doesn't cut much ice. At the end of the day governments in a democratic society have to look after the people who elected them. IT industry has had a free rein for a long time(it got taxed since 2 year but that wasn't the case before) and no one really complained.

However i just feel Chindambram could have done a better job as far as dealing wth the money lending issue is concerned from private money lenders. Why there is no law on fixed cap of interest by any private player is beyond me. Its as simple as making it mandatory that this is the maximum interest rate you can ever charge, which should probably make it easier to deal with the problem if it arises in future. Obviously one reason why this has not been done is that there will not be an incentive then for the private players to give a loan but these days with the thrust on rural credit(the only thing thats actually grown last year as per economic survey) that should not be a problem. Easy credit at cheap interest rates is available via banks and if the farmer has some collateral it would be easy to get credit from registered agencies. Which is what the government is looking for. (Its a bit debatable whether the banks will show the same enthusiasm now in giving credit, but if the guv's word is to be believed full monetary support will be provided to the banks which should protect the banks from any losses.)

The other argument is the so called moral hazard. I don't think its any use saying that there is no moral hazard. There very much is. You are rewarding people who have not paid the loans, and in some cases might have been dishonest too, while giving no help to those who paid their loans. The question is whether this will effect future repayments and what is the future of rural credit. Most economists predict that it will impact future repayments.

I tend to disagree based on past experiences. All are familiar with the IT write offs we saw in late 90's by the government. It was practically rewarding the thugs and giving them an opportunity to convert the black money into white at a fraction of the cost which they should have paid as IT if they were honest. That was a moral hazard also. It would have if the present theory were to be applied, created less IT recovery with more people counting on another such write off. But we have actually seen better returns, tax buoyancy across the sectors and tax evasion that's on the decline. A stable tax structure which is easier for all i think helped here. That's why i think if you have cheaper farm credits now, then it will be more plausible for the farmers to pay back and live happily rather than count of another waiver and worry about it if and when that would come.


I have deliberately not gone into the negatives. There are too many and highlighted already. Here are the two best sources.

Why farm loan waiver is a bad idea
Why the Loan Waiver is Immoral

Originally Posted by GURCHARAN DAS
The irony is that the UPA government might actually lose more votes than it gains from this loan waiver. According to NSSO figures, almost 60% of farm loans are from moneylenders. They will not benefit. The R Radhakrishna Committee says that farmers from the suicide prone areas of Vidharbha and Chattisgarh will benefit less than the richer farmers in the irrigated areas who grow sugar cane and grapes. Since those who will not benefit (or benefit less) are greater than those who will, resentment will build, and the UPA might end up losing more than it gains.
^^ On the last article, i think Gurcharan das presents a good case and i agree as far as winning election goes, Congress will not win an election based on this alone, if it is going to. Actually i don't think its going to win much support on this plank.


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I am not sure that congress will win or not. But i think it will give some impact on the rural areas. It could be congress again.
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 Old 11 Mar 08, 07:22 PM
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You can stress on one point, "The needy will get help". Forget all that talk about the greedy ones misusing it, but the ones who really needed to breath will get what they want. Poor fellas. I wouldn't mind paying higher tax until it helps someone in need.

The rich are getting richer and the poor poorer these days and it is the duty of the rich ones to help the ones in need. I believe in that.

Instead of paying tax or looking for other means to NOT to pay tax, it would be better if people can pay some NON-PROFIT orgs and get tax waiver forms for that money they paid. that way good happens for both

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IMO,its vote bank politics played by PC.One of my friend(farmer by profession) pointed out,quiet a lot of farmers(down south)owning less than 2 hectares are infact doing moderately well and getting the benefit of this loan waiver rather than those who are in deep debt.
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 Old 11 Mar 08, 09:03 PM
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sorry didnt read the whole post but if some ppl are deep in the red , doing away with their debts looks like a short term fix right ? rather if some assistance package was given it could help them get back on their feet again..I mean what will they do next ? get another loan? and from where ?
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The problem is basically that the indebtedness is not due to loans from banks, but due to loans from private money lenders. And the fact is that the 2 hectare limit makes no sense. There are farmers with more than 2 hectares who cannot be considered "big" farmers in any sense (there was never any way for them to get bank loans and/or insurance).
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Originally Posted by hemi View Post
IMO,its vote bank politics played by PC.One of my friend(farmer by profession) pointed out,quiet a lot of farmers(down south)owning less than 2 hectares are infact doing moderately well and getting the benefit of this loan waiver rather than those who are in deep debt.
As KK said, there are farmers who have more than 2 hectares but since they live in joint families the actual holding per individual is very less. Now as per FM proposal you cannot pass them any benefit. Well this is a tricky situation and a problem inherent to some states where joint family holdings are prevalent. Frankly there is little choice with the FM on this. If he did not add that limit, the richer farmers would have found the loophole they were looking for and get away from paying any tax and even get the loans waived. Everyone would have claimed to be living in joint families. The rest of the people i think suffer from the money lenders rather than non-performance. I reckon a cap on interest for lenders should have been implemented.

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sorry didnt read the whole post but if some ppl are deep in the red , doing away with their debts looks like a short term fix right ? rather if some assistance package was given it could help them get back on their feet again..I mean what will they do next ? get another loan? and from where ?
The idea is, as i mentioned, that you can waive the older loans that are chargeable at a higher rate and which now have accumulated over time into substantial amounts which are impossible to pay for these farmers and instead from a clean slate where now they can have the availability of much cheaper credit.(atleast 50% cheaper) and better conditions with no past baggage.
Ideally if the banks are supported and don't suffer any losses in the waiver, there should not be any effect on rural credit.
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This move from FM was certainly to strengthen the UPA's votebank. But i think this would benefit indian economy on a long run. The india