Champions League 2009-10

Man United could find themselves facing Cristiano Ronaldo when the draw is made for the Champion League group stages on Thursday.

United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal are all guaranteed positions among the eight top seeds, meaning they will avoid current European champions Barcelona, but could face Real Madrid, who are one of the eight second-ranked clubs.

There is also another intriguing possibility of Carlo Ancelotti's Chelsea coming face to face with Jose Mourinho's Inter Milan in a group - Inter will also be among the second seeds.

The draw will see 32 teams split into eight groups, each containing a top seed, a second seed, a third seed and a fourth seed.

Bayern Munich, AC Milan and Sevilla are other top seeds, and there are plenty of tough opponents in the other pots. Lyon, CSKA Moscow and Juventus are among the second seeds, while Atletico Madrid, Bordeaux and Stuttgart are in the third pot.

Rangers are also among the second seeds thanks to Fiorentina's away-goals triumph over Sporting Lisbon tonight. If the result had been reversed, the Scottish champions would be third seeds.

The team to avoid among the eight clubs in the fourth pot are Wolfsburg, who were champions of Germany last season.

Such is the strength in depth of Europe's elite club tournament that there is a possibility of any of the English clubs being drawn in a group with Real Madrid, Bordeaux and Wolfsburg.

Big-spending Real Madrid are the bookies' favourites and will view this year's tournament as almost a must-win. Apart from the arrival of Ronaldo, Kaka and Xavi Alonso, the final in May will be at their home ground the Bernabeu.

As for last season's beaten finalists Manchester United, their striker Dimitar Berbatov insists most clubs will fear being drawn against the English champions.

He told the club's official website: "When you say the name Manchester United it inspires respect in a lot of people. Nobody will fancy playing us."

Berbatov said the taste of defeat in Rome has intensified the players' desire to go one better this time.

"After what happened in last year's final I think we're even more determined in Europe this time around," he added.

"For me, losing in Rome was doubly frustrating because I wasn't at the club when the team won in Moscow. I've never won the Champions League so losing to Barcelona was very upsetting.

"This year our aim is to make it all the way to Madrid. The Bernabeu is one of the best stadiums in the world and I know we're good enough to make it back there and, this time, win it."



Seedings for Thursday's draw:


Top seeds: Barcelona (Spa) UEFA co-efficient 121.9, Chelsea (Eng) 118.9, Liverpool (Eng) 118.9, Man Utd (Eng) 111.9, AC Milan (Ita) 110.6, Arsenal (Eng) 106.9, Sevilla (Spa) 100.9, Bayern Munich (Ger) 98.3.

Second seeds: Lyon (Fra) 91.0, Inter Milan (Ita) 87.6, Real Madrid (Spa) 78.9, CSKA Moscow (Rus) 71.5, Porto (Por) 68.3, AZ Alkmaar (Hol) 64.8, Juventus (Ita) 63.5, Rangers (Sco) 56.6.

Third seeds: Olympiakos (Gre) 52.6, Marseille (Fra) 48.0, Dinamo Kiev (Ukr) 46.4, Stuttgart (Ger) 45.3, Fiorentina (Ita) 42.6, Atletico Madrid (Spa) 41.9, Bordeaux (Fra) 40.0, Besiktas (Tur) 32.4.

Fourth seeds: Wolfsburg (Ger) 21.3, Standard Liege (Bel) 21.1, Maccabi Haifa (Isr) 17.1, FC Zurich (Swi) 14.1, Rubin Kazan (Rus) 9.5, Unirea Urziceni (Rom) 8.8, APOEL Nicosia (Cyp) 4.0, Debreceni (Hun) 1.633.

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Manchester United and AC Milan have lower UEFA co-efficient than Chelsea and Liverpool

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Ninja's Signature:

I how that is calculated

Have to find out

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Kimi's Signature:

The basis for the UEFA coefficients is the performance of teams in the European Cups during a five year period. During that period each team gets two points for a win and one point for a draw (see below for matches in qualifying rounds).

In addition one bonus point is allocated for reaching the quarter final, the semi final and the final. Qualification for the group-stage of the Champions League is awarded with 4 bonus points (from 2004-2009: 3 bonus points, from 1996-2004: 1 point, before 1996: 2 points). Qualification for the first knock-out round of the Champions League yields 5 bonus points (from 2004-2009: 1 bonus point, before 2004: no bonus).

Detailed Calculation Method

Definition of terms.

cteams = number of teams per country,
tpoints = number of points per team,
tmatches = number of matches per team, and
cpoints = sum(tpoints) per country.

ccoef = country coefficient per year,
crank = country ranking over 5 years,
tcoef = team coefficient per year, and
trank = team ranking over 5 years.

1. Country Coefficients and Country Ranking

ccoef = rounddown(cpoints/cteams, 3)
crank = sum(ccoef);

2. Team Coefficients and Team Ranking
from 2009:

tcoef = 0.20 * rounddown(cpoints/cteams, 3) + tpoints
trank = rounddown(sum(tcoef) , 3)

from 2004 until 2008:

tcoef = 0.5 * rounddown( 0.33 * (2*cpoints/cteams), 3) + tpoints
trank = rounddown(sum(tcoef) , 3)

from 1999 until 2003:

tcoef = 0.5 * rounddown( 0.50 * (2*cpoints/cteams), 3) + tpoints
trank = rounddown(sum(tcoef) , 3)

until 1998:

tcoef = rounddown(tpoints/tmatches, 3)
trank = sum(tcoef)

where
sum = sum over 5 years, and
rounddown(..., 3) = truncation to 3 significant digits after the decimal point.

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Kimi's Signature:

Chelsea and Liverpool has been consistent in the past five years compared to Manchester or Milan.And so their efficiency is more than them.

Even though Madrid is the most successful club in the world in terms of Champions league titles,the past five years has been very sadful for them and rated less than 100.

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Kimi's Signature:

Great research Kimi, repped

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Ninja's Signature:

dude

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Draws & Group Stages Fixtures

Group A

1 Bayern Munich
2 Juventus
3 Bordeaux
4 Maccabi Haifa

Group B

1 Man Utd
2 CSKA Moscow
3 Besiktas
4 Wolfsburg

Group C

1 AC Milan
2 Real Madrid
3 Marseille
4 FC Zurich

Group D

1 Chelsea
2 FC Porto
3 Atletico Madrid
4 Apoel Nicosia

Group E

1 Liverpool
2 Lyon 0
3 Fiorentina
4 Debrecen

Group F

1 Barcelona
2 Inter Milan
3 Dynamo Kiev

Group G

1 Sevilla
2 Rangers
3 VfB Stuttgart
4 Unirea Urziceni

Group H

1 Arsenal
2 AZ
3 Olympiacos
4 Standard Liege [/SIZE]



Tuesday, September 15

Juventus v Bordeaux

Maccabi Haifa v Bayern Munich

Wolfsburg v CSKA Moscow

Besiktas v Manchester United

FC Zurich v Real Madrid

Marseille v AC Milan

Chelsea v Porto

Atletico Madrid v APOEL FC


Wednesday, September 16

Liverpool v Debreceni

Lyon v Fiorentina

Inter Milan v Barcelona

Dynamo Kiev v Rubin Kazan

Stuttgart v Rangers

Sevilla v Unirea Urziceni

Olympiacos v AZ Alkmaar

Standard Liege v Arsenal


Tuesday, September 29

Fiorentina v Liverpool

Debreceni v Lyon

Rubin Kazan v Inter Milan

Barcelona v Dynamo Kiev

Unirea Urziceni v Stuttgart

Rangers v Sevilla

Arsenal v Olympiacos

AZ Alkmaar v Standard Liege


Wednesday, September 30

Bayern Munich v Juventus

Bordeaux v Maccabi Haifa

Manchester United v Wolfsburg

CSKA Moscow v Besiktas

AC Milan v FC Zurich

Real Madrid v Marseille

APOEL FC v Chelsea

Porto v Atletico Madrid


Tuesday, October 20

Debreceni v Fiorentina

Liverpool v Lyon

Barcelona v Rubin Kazan

Inter Milan v Dynamo Kiev

Rangers v Unirea Urziceni

Stuttgart v Sevilla

AZ Alkmaar v Arsenal

Olympiacos v Standard Liege

Wednesday, October 21

Bordeaux v Bayern Munich

Juventus v Maccabi Haifa

CSKA Moscow v Manchester United

Wolfsburg v Besiktas

Real Madrid v AC Milan

FC Zurich v Marseille

Porto v APOEL FC

Chelsea v Atletico Madrid

Tuesday, November 3

Bayern Munich v Bordeaux

Maccabi Haifa v Juventus

Manchester United v CSKA Moscow

Besiktas v Wolfsburg

AC Milan v Real Madrid

Marseille v FC Zurich

APOEL FC v Porto

Atletico Madrid v Chelsea

Wednesday, November 4

Fiorentina v Debreceni

Lyon v Liverpool

Rubin Kazan v Barcelona

Dynamo Kiev v Inter Milan

Unirea Urziceni v Rangers

Sevilla v Stuttgart

Arsenal v AZ Alkmaar

Standard Liege v Olympiacos

Tuesday, November 24

Debreceni v Liverpool

Fiorentina v Lyon

Barcelona v Inter Milan

Rubin Kazan v Dynamo Kiev

Rangers v Stuttgart

Unirea Urziceni v Sevilla

AZ Alkmaar v Olympiacos

Arsenal v Standard Liege

Wednesday, November 25

Bordeaux v Juventus

Bayern Munich v Maccabi Haifa

CSKA Moscow v Wolfsburg

Manchester United v Besiktas

Real Madrid v FC Zurich

AC Milan v Marseille

Porto v Chelsea

APOEL FC v Atletico Madrid

Tuesday, December 8

Juventus v Bayern Munich

Maccabi Haifa v Bordeaux

Wolfsburg v Manchester United

Besiktas v CSKA Moscow

FC Zurich v AC Milan

Marseille v Real Madrid

Chelsea v APOEL FC

Atletico Madrid v Porto

Wednesday, December 9

Liverpool v Fiorentina

Lyon v Debreceni

Inter Milan v Rubin Kazan

Dynamo Kiev v Barcelona

Stuttgart v Unirea Urziceni

Sevilla v Rangers

Olympiacos v Arsenal

Standard Liege v AZ Alkmaar

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Kimi's Signature:

All english teams have been lucky with the draws. Liverpool and Arsenal Chelsea got a comparatively tougher draw with FC Porto and Atletico Madrid, while Man utd have to travel a lot Group C and F belong to Italy and Spain

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Ninja's Signature:

Manchester United didn't got much tough
and really nice info for point thingy Kimi

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