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Alonso's days at McLaren are numberedThis is a discussion on Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered within the Formula 1 forums, part of the Sports Talk category; you can't win a constructors championship if your driver doesn't score points.
btw how do u score points when the ...
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7 Aug 07, 02:37 PM
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Re: Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered
you can't win a constructors championship if your driver doesn't score points.
btw how do u score points when the team isnt doing its 100%...look what happened with ferrari one careless mistake n massa ended up 14th...
what alfonso did has most proabaly cost Mclaren constructors points from Hungary...they could have scored a 1-2 but for Alfonso's foolishness....
Its takes a team to win...its not about one individual.....
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Re: Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered
Originally Posted by Nikhil
He has no right to ask for preferential treatment. He knows he isnt going to get it. I dont think that was ever a part of the deal with McLaren.
and even if he did want preferential treatment, he should prolly be talking to the team, not the media. Its the bitching by these guys thats really annoying...
Besides why should Alonso be given preferential treatment? His teammate is just as good as he is...
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Re: Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered
Originally Posted by Nikhil
Actually on second thoughts, I dont think I'll be posting anymore in this thread...you are totally missing the point.
Actually quid pro quo, am not posting myself. 
@wraith: Alonso's foolishness? You could say its hamilton not following orders  Hvae you not read this
Dennis had said Hamilton was to blame for failing to obey repeated team instructions to let Alonso go past earlier in the session at a stage when drivers were burning off excess fuel.
"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past and he didn't. He charged off," said Dennis.
Either way its amusing you keep saying the team is not there, the point is who is mclaren looking as replacement to alonso who will do better than Alonso? I don't see anyone who will get them anywhere near as many points as Alonso gets unless ofcourse another rookie comes in Mclaren and becomes a huge hit which is abit too much to ask. You are failing to acknowledge plain and simple a management issue.
I am not suggesting what Mclaren can do about it. they should find ways to pacify two top drivers. They don't they will lose.
Period. (No more posts from me now  )
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Re: Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered
Originally Posted by Safin
@Apex am not going into a Kimi discussion. Kimi never has been able to make the best of his chances. Bad luck follows him and thats as much due to his own aggressiveness (a fault btw of our own Narain too,,remember his aggressive driving on the jordan, you can't blame the car if you push it and you know it can't take it,)(why i used the word, remember that last lap when his tyres had gone bald and he was flying and in the end got out with a burst tyre on the last lap. He could have actually slowed down and instead taken 3rd rather than 1st. He is as much at fault than his team, whether it was mclaren or Ferrari.)
for how long have u been watching F1? "Kimi never has been able to make the best of his chances"??? You gotta be truly kiddin me! On the contrary, he never missed any opportunity unless its his McLaren which betrayed him at crucial moments. Nobody can do anything about luck and more often than not, you just make your own luck. McLarens failed coz they were unreliable and you can't blame Kimi for that. Its not that he crashed those Mclarens every time. If a driver can break a car without bangin it on to a wall, it says a lot about the car. If you're not allowed to push a McLaren to its limit, then god save those poor teams.
Your comparing of Kimi with Narain is plain ridiculous and says it all. So, I'm not even going to comment on that one. About that suspension failure, it was a team decision to carry on with the vibration. The only other option left was to pit and surrender all available points. You can't drive an F1 car slowly and calculate a third place finish. A difference of 30 or 40 secs. may seem longer during a race but in practical sense, u know how much time that is. You slow down one bit, you'll get pounced by the opposition. So, I conclude your statements were baseless. 
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Re: Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered
Your comparing of Kimi with Narain is plain ridiculous and says it all. So, I'm not even going to comment on that one. About that suspension failure, it was a team decision to carry on with the vibration. The only other option left was to pit and surrender all available points. You can't drive an F1 car slowly and calculate a third place finish. A difference of 30 or 40 secs. may seem longer during a race but in practical sense, u know how much time that is. You slow down one bit, you'll get pounced by the opposition. So, I conclude your statements were baseless.
I will break the no posting rule once.
Comparing Narain with Kimi is justified for the reason given. If you can't know your own cars limitations, it says a lot about you as a driver. Yeah right, actually you do make our own luck. Thats why i say he is a totally unlucky guy and he can fault himself.
You have forgotten the race am talking about. I think no finish is not better than a 3rd finish. and 30secs btw would have meant a 3rd finish. And thats just one race. Its a a whole history with Kimi and am watching him for as long as you have been.
McLarens failed coz they were unreliable and you can't blame Kimi for that. Its not that he crashed those Mclarens every time. If a driver can break a car without bangin it on to a wall, it says a lot about the car. If you're not allowed to push a McLaren to its limit, then god save those poor teams.
yeah and i never said they were reliable also. A idiot driver on a wheel of a less reliable car who doesn't know his limitations is a lethal combo as Mclaren found out.
Btw You are blinded by Kimi. I think coulple of races back you were cursing him yourself for his bad luck.. rofl. Thank god its ferrari now and not Mclaren 
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Re: Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered
The Spanish newspaper Diario As, meanwhile, now claims that 26-year-old Alonso has already decided to leave McLaren in order to re-join Renault or switch to BMW.
He is "even considering the possibility of finishing this world championship with another team", 'As' added, even if it means sacrificing the 2007 title.
"His situation at McLaren is untenable," the newspaper - also raising the possibility of an internal anti-Alonso 'saboteur' - continued.
Am pretty sure he will not do the mistake of switching teams now with the chamionship at stake, but surely, he wont be with Mclaren next year
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Re: Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered
As expected its now time that there is a shakeup in Mclaren management.
The Times newspaper in London is reporting that "well-placed sources" say that Ron Dennis has informed Fernando Alonso that he can leave the team at the end of the year if he wants to do that. This does not seem very likely.
The newspaper quotes the unidentified source saying that "my understanding is that he’s been told he can go because they’re so fed up with him."
There have been suspicions for some time that Alonso was not comfortable in the team and believes that it favours Lewis Hamilton. Ron Dennis has been trying hard to make Alonso feel at home and it may be this that cause some of the problems in Hungary at the weekend.
Having said that, not being happy with a driver and letting him go are two very different things. In this case McLaren would not only lose a double World Champion but would also be handing him to a rival. Dennis cannot make Alonso drive for him in 2008, if the Spaniard does not want to drive, but he can stop him driving for another team.
"We have two drivers who are contracted for several years into the future," Dennis said. "We will respect our part of the bargain - we hope that the drivers respect theirs, because that’s what a contract is about. We will continue to function as a Grand Prix team with specific values and if anybody does not want to be part of those values - irrespective of where they sit in the organisation - ultimately they will have a choice. But we will not deviate away from our values."
Renault would love to get Alonso back and BMW would almost certainly be bidding as well. These would likely be the only choices that Alonso would consider as Ferrari with Kimi Raikkonen is not a very attractive option and it is unlikely that Jean Todt is going to axe Felipe Massa, who is managed by Nicolas Todt, Jean's son.
Print News Story
F1 News - Grandprix.com
And an interesting writeup by damon: FOX Sports on MSN - F1 - Hill: McLaren duo should grow up
Mclaren has played right into the hands of their rivals now. Alonso won't be bothered anyway. Renault are licking their lips to grab him and the only guys losing out of this is Mclaren. Ferrari must be jumping up and down
Ferrari's '£20m raid' for Lewis | the Daily Mail
http://flagworld.auto123.com/en/raci...py?artid=87632
Final days for Ron Dennis too btw.
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Re: Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered
Originally Posted by Safin
I will break the no posting rule once.
Comparing Narain with Kimi is justified for the reason given. If you can't know your own cars limitations, it says a lot about you as a driver. Yeah right, actually you do make our own luck. Thats why i say he is a totally unlucky guy and he can fault himself.
You have forgotten the race am talking about. I think no finish is not better than a 3rd finish. and 30secs btw would have meant a 3rd finish. And thats just one race. Its a a whole history with Kimi and am watching him for as long as you have been.
yeah and i never said they were reliable also. A idiot driver on a wheel of a less reliable car who doesn't know his limitations is a lethal combo as Mclaren found out.
Btw You are blinded by Kimi. I think coulple of races back you were cursing him yourself for his bad luck.. rofl. Thank god its ferrari now and not Mclaren 
I don't know how a driver can push his car beyond limit. Thats beyond my comprehension. According to me, its next to impossible. You can only go as far your car allows you to and Kimi did no different. If you thought he somehow managed to increase the engine revs and blow it all by himself, well I have nothing to say. IIRC, even Mika during the last two years of his career was blowing and stalling his Mercedes engines left, right and center. Would you explain the bad driver part now?
Btw, I wasn't cursing him. I was just ruing his bad luck. Incase you think Hamilton and Alonso are any better than Kimi, just wait for another season or two. I've this firm belief that Mclaren will come back to form soon. 
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Re: Alonso's days at McLaren are numbered
Well in this case you have to admit - Hamilton is the one who is accused of screwing up by disobeying team orders. You can't blame Alonso for being pissed off.
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