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The Big Bang theory of the universe is wrong because the cosmological red shift is due to the Compton effect rather than the Doppler effect. See The Endless, Boundless, Stable Universe and A Timeless, Boundless Equilibrium Universe by Grote Reber and Hubble's Constant in Terms of the Compton Effect by John Kierein.

Reber showed that the Compton effect was the cause of the red shift in order to explain the observations of bright very long wavelength extragalactic radio waves. Kierein used the Compton effect explanation to explain quasars and the red shift on the sun.

Quasars may be much closer than their red shift would indicate if they have an "intrinsic" red shift due to being surrounded by a 'fuzzy' atmosphere containing free electrons and other material. This concentration of electrons produces the unusual red shift as the light travels through it and loses energy to these electrons per the Compton effect. If quasars are nearby, they may even exhibit proper motion in the sky as the Earth travels around the sun. Such a proper motion has been seen. See Quasar Absolute Proper Motion for a table that includes such proper motion observations.


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Hmmm...Can i use Babel fish to translate that to english?
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well, i for one never really believed in the big bang theory...given the massive sizes of the stellar objects, its hard to believe tht they were once a part of a single object which just exploded under its own pressure... and what about the new stars tht keep taking birth in the galaxies...
but i sometimes am really intrigued by the sheer endless realm of the universe...hell, is there an end to it...
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what about the new stars tht keep taking birth
New stars are not just born from nowhere, they are born out of dense clouds of gas and dust that are abundant in space, in fact stars are result of immense gravitational pressure, the pressure and temperature reaches to a point where these gases mainly hydrogen begins to fuse to form Helium.


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If this is infact true, the entire LHC is a waste of time?
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you really believe that!!!
the article you linke doesn't answers some of the basic questions like why the distance between two heavenly bodies keep on increasing after some time, how do planets form and how is that the super dense matter exist ,how have the gases inside sun or star been created and many questions like that.I know that some of the points about compton shift and evrything given in the article is valid.


These problems include the idea that there are many objects observed that are older than the time from the big bang, which is variously estimated to be from 10 to 15 billion years ago, with the best estimates being 10 billion years.
ok no one exactly knows how old the universe is???
but how they did dating of these "many" objects that are older than the time from the big bang. And if it's a method they have find-then NOBLE PRIZE is theirs!!!

There are also some great problems with the "singularity" of the big bang. What happened before the big bang?? The big bang theorists can't answer this question and just say it's a meaningless question.
if the big bang theorists cannot ,no one ever can!!!!All i want to say is that atleast big bang theorists have been able to define the planetary motion or the universe say after time t=0 but they can surely not define what was there befort time ,t=0

all i want to say is that my point is that the BIG BANG is a theory which makes most sense and the most scientist even approve it. if this guy so firmly believes that with just satisfying us with compton effect and blah blah could disapprove the big bang theory ,then i say 'NO'.this is not possible.

anyways CERN is doin great job and in a fortnight or so we will know what is true???


UPDATE ON CERN
Geneva, 18 September 2008. After a spectacular start on 10 September, the LHC enjoyed a mixed first week of commissioning with beam. To get beams around the ring in both directions on the first day exceeded all expectations, and the success continued through the night, with several hundred orbits being achieved.

The next step in the commissioning process is to bring in the radio-frequency (RF) system that keeps the beams bunched, rather than spreading out around the ring, and will eventually accelerate them to 7 TeV. The RF system works by ‘capturing’ the beam, speeding up the slower moving particles and slowing down the faster ones so that the beam remains bunched into fine threads about 11 cm long. Without it, the beam quickly dissipates and cannot be used for physics.

On Thursday night, 11 September, beam two, the anti-clockwise beam, was captured and circulated for over half an hour before being safely extracted from the LHC. The next step is to repeat the process for beam one, and that is set to begin this week.

The intervening time has been spent recovering cryogenic conditions after the failure of a power transformer on one of the surface points of the LHC switched off the main compressors of the cryogenics for two sectors of the machine. The transformer, weighing 30 tonnes and with a rating of 12 MVA, was exchanged over the weekend. During this process, the cryogenics system was put into a standby mode with the two sectors kept at around 4.5 K. Since the beginning of the week the cryogenics team have been busy re-cooling the magnets and preparing for operation with beam, which is currently forecast for today. The next stage of the commissioning will be single turn studies using beam one, followed by RF capture and circulating beam in both rings
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Everytime i think how vast this universe is, there is big bang in my brain and it shuts down for some time
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