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Hello guys,

There are basically 2 ways of breaking in a engine:

taken from xbhp, all credit to them:

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Hi, guys here is the pulsar runin guide. Infact this runin guide can be used for others bikes as well. Dont forget to add ur suggestions and experiences here.

( ACKNOWLEDGMENTS : Dr. Vistasp Sethna from Poona, former owner of a first-lot Pulsar 180, presently riding a Bullet 500 )

STARTING TECHNIQUE:

For morning starts, use the kick + choke (leave the choke for a slow count of 30 and then close the choke decrementally till the engine is firing smoothly).

Its a good practice to first (with the ignition in the OFF position) depress the clutch and kick 5 times for the oil in the sump to circulate slightly.

Do not start the bike when the headlight switch is set to ON or even if the dome/pilot lamps only position is set, as it may cause both/either of your bulbs to fuse due to surge of current.

Keep the clutch depressed for some time alternating with depressing/releasing the clutch for the oil to flow between the plates.

Ride smoothly without any sudden acceleration for the first couple of kilometers, then open up.



RIDING TECHNIQUE (during and after run-in):

Below 60 kmph in first 1000 km and below 70 kmph for the next 1000 km (1000-2000)

Rule of thumb - during running in, never race the engine rpm to beyond half of the rpm range available (about 4000 rpm in the first 1000 km and can go as high as 5000-5500 rpm in the next 1000 km)

Sudden non-sustained bursts are OK as long as the rpm does not shoot beyond control - many even say that such bursts in the second 1000 km (with increasing frequency after about 1500 km) actually help to "open out" the engine and the usable rev-range better.

NEVER ride at a sustained speed/rpm for any length of time EVEN IF you are below the accepted limits - keep changing the RPM and speed by changing the throttle position at short intervals to prevent glazing of your piston, and also getting the various moving parts bedded down nicely at different speeds. What this does is makes the bike smooth and the power delivery seamless across the entire power band rather than just at one particular speed.

During the run-in period while u adhere to the said 4000 rpm max and speed limits, it is necessary that every gear be taken through the entire usable rpm range. After warm up for a minute or two (idle rpm will be about 1000 rpm) and a slow, gradual and steady moving through the gears, after a while, a couple of kms down the road, take your bike through the rpm range (up to say 3700 during running in) for ALL gears. Do it as often as possible (the urban traffic and signals will help you in this). This does help to run-in your bike better.

There is no problem in going for long rides, but try not to run the engine non-stop for more than 25-30 minutes - preferably take a butt break, smell the roses, look around and then start off again.

Gears are very tricky things to bed in properly so preferably (at least during the run in) do not let someone else ride your bike - even if he's very gentle, his shifting technique will be different from yours and you'll be able to "feel" something amiss in the gears once you ride the bike again.

Make a proper positive effort to shift gears, just a nudge won’t do (please don’t bang your foot on them if they seem tight – ease off and try again – it always works!).

Remember, like all other moving parts, your disc brake needs to be run-in too for proper functioning at all speeds – practice using your disc at progressively higher speeds in an open area without traffic. When using the disc, remember that the handle should be straight ahead (never in a turn) and there should not be any gravel on the road, or you WILL skid. Get the FEEL of the discs and you can then use them with greater confidence.

After completing the running in, don't start rippin' ur bike at 100+ immediately (a commemorative "ton" is a must though just to appease the adrenaline Gods!!!!), get your bike used to incremental increases in speed in multiples of 5 kmph and then move to the next higher speed.



THINGS TO LOOK OUT FOR:

Preferably wash your bike thoroughly once a week and check for any leaks, loose fastenings, etc. Do not splash water onto the bike (especially the top of the tank) with a mug or a hosepipe, either spray wash (pressure) or else wash with a wet cloth.

IMPORTANT: In the event that water does get into the tank through the filler cap or into the carb bowl, the bike will sputter and die on you a number of times afterwards. Water being heavier than petrol will collect in the carb bowl and can be drained. PROCEDURE: First shut off the petcock (to prevent draining expensive petrol in the process!). Then loosen the screw seen immediately below the carb bowl (the lowest carb screw looking at it from the left side of the bike) and let water/petrol from the bowl drain out thru the transparent pipe leading out from the bottom of the carb. After the drainage has stopped, FIRST tighten the screw and THEN put on the petcock.

Use a car shampoo to wash your bike, not ordinary soap or any other household detergents that will dull the finish of the paint. Car shampoos with Carnauba wax are a good idea (Formula 1, Waxpol, etc.)

Keep an eye open for any leaks around the top of the engine and near the gearbox (excess chain oil also causes an oil slick to develop on the chain cover). Also look at the ground beneath the bike every morning to check for any oil spill (WARNING: After an oil change, make sure the drain nut has been properly tightened).

Malfunctioning switches/electricals (possible problem areas - front brake switch and starter).

Wash your tyres and top up the air pressure once a week and slowly rotate and inspect each tyre to look for cuts, cracks, embedded sharp objects, and also pebbles in the treads which should be removed.

While washing the wheels/tyres, check for loose/broken/bent spokes (check wheel trueness once in 3 months or so, especially if riding on bad roads or have hit a pothole hard/at speed).

While washing, make sure that the drain holes in the filler cap area and under the silencer are not clogged.

Get your chain-slack adjusted and chain lubricated preferably every 800 km.

Check battery fluid level at least once a month and keep an eye on the brake fluid level too (though that's just precautionary).

Make it a habit to shut off the petcock whenever you park your bike so that it becomes instinctive after a while. Adding an in-line petrol filter of the Caliber is a good idea (in between the petcock and the carb).

Keep the bike on center stand if it is going to be parked for a long time. Also, do not park the bike on side-stand on a slight slop as the Pulsar has a tendency to slide forward off the side stand and fall down many a times.



PUNCTURES:

When you detect a puncture, rotate the wheel to try and find the nail and remove it to prevent further damage to the tyre/tube, multiple punctures etc.

Loosen the base check nut of the valve so that the valve has room to move and does not get uprooted from the tube while wheeling your bike to the puncture walla.

Do NOT sit on the bike or ride it to the puncture walla. If you must, start the bike, put it in gear and slowly “ride” it to the puncture wall, WALKING ALONGSIDE.

Make sure that the puncture is repaired with a pucca heat cured patch and not the ready-made circular patches, which have a tendency to start leaking in summer/hot conditions.

After the puncture is repaired, make sure that the tyre is seated properly onto the rim by checking that the line all along the sidewall is equidistant at all points from the edge of the rim. In case of improper seating, you will feel a wobble/puncture feeling while riding and should get this checked.

Also make sure the puncture walla coats the insides of your tyre with talcum powder and replaces the rubber patti over the center of your rim if worn out.

Always have the black rubber caps over the valves as a second line of defense. Make sure the puncture wall replaces the split quarter pins while refitting the wheel.

IMPORTANT: In case of a front tyre puncture, be very careful that no one presses the front brake lever while the wheel is out to prevent the disc brake calipers from coming together, making it impossible to refit the front wheel. The only way to take them apart is to bleed the brake fluid and it is a complex task to be done only at an authorized service station. As a precaution, you can put something between the front brake and the handle grip. For example a small spanner between the lever and the accelerator rotor, to hold them apart.
and this: Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

both put forward very radically different approaches in breaking in a engine. which one is proper? considering the fact that Indian tourers (like ZMA, P220, P180, etc.) are not exactly SBK class. I have a lot of follow up questions, so please have patience to answer em all.

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My platina doesn't have an rpm meter
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I do hardly 100KM runin got 2 bores with me, both have done runin <100KM within 2 days hehehe first day 60KM just after teh rebore, next day 40

There is a lot thats imp inside teh engines that contribute to run-in. most imortant being piston clearance less piston clearance, more chances of seizure and takes more run in time. too much, you'll lose compression, engine heats up like crazy.

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NEVER ride at a sustained speed/rpm for any length of time EVEN IF you are below the accepted limits - keep changing the RPM and speed by changing the throttle position at short intervals to prevent glazing of your piston, and also getting the various moving parts bedded down nicely at different speeds. What this does is makes the bike smooth and the power delivery seamless across the entire power band rather than just at one particular speed.
this point is very true. my first rebore, drove @ constant RPMs, bore got slightly glazed. tryin hard to remove it now...

One more important thing i like to add...Always run rich during run-in. i used some oversize jets and richest needle position when running in. gave me just 20KMPL, but tehre is no chance of seizure due to leaning. the bike will run like absolut shit, but its worth it.

When starting, i start with choke, keep holding it and idle for...30 secs? I keep feeling the bore to check the heat. Once its warm, take it out slowly for 2KMs...then do the usual commemorative ton During run in, I do this everytime the engine becomes cold and have to start, not only just when starting in the mornings.

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lol i did 1500 kmph running in.... didnt go above 40 .. and sometimes 60kmph...(rarely 60kmph though)
bike was in good condition... and everyone appreciated that..(guys from xbhp and also from bombay puslars).... so that was nice
it is still in good condition. thought very dirty...
i dunno.but its still kinda hard for me to keep my rpm levels constant.. even though i wanna.. icant.. lol
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hmm cool.... now please answer there questions specifically:

1) Is it cool to red line the bike on 1st/2nd gear? When old and when new?

2) Basically the 2 ways (given above) are:

i ) Take it slow and easy. Very gradual. Dont cross 4000 rpm till 1000 kms, 5000 rpm till 2000 kms. Gradual.

ii ) WARM UP WELL and RIP it. Must achieve high cyl preesure to achieve proper ring seal. And it must be done soon. Otherwise the piston rings will wear down and you will never achieve proper ring seal. Change oil after doing the above for 20 odd kms. Use petroleum oil at first till run in (3000 kms.) After that, may shift to synthetic. Run all the gears throught full rpm range and let the engine break on its on. That will ensure that all the aluminium particulates are weaned off the cyl walls.

Which one is good and why?

3) How to know which is synthetic and which is petroleum oil. Difference?

4) Is the RIP it method applicable to Indian bikes in particular. Can they handle such high RPMS (on lower gears that too) because the build quality and mechanics differ a lot between SBKs and Indian breeds.

Please clarify.

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lol....

I rip like crazy on my P180..... First gear, redlines at 9K.... doesnt go beyond that ....

In second gear, it goes beyond 10K RPM (note that the bike is marked as red lining at 9K )......

Of course, I dont maintain that rpm for long. It just gives me an adrenaline rushto hear my bike screaming

@Karan ---- It is ok to red line...but preferably when the bike is a bit old....
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1. I'd say NO. In 1/2 gears, tehre will be ENORMOUS loads on the piston, crank, etc. If you attempt that in runin, consider 10,000 KM of elife deducted from your engine.

2. My advice : runin properly for 500KM, take it till say 5K RPM till 1K, then blast away free

3. Mobil Products

Get Castrol GTX Magnatec. Best oil you can buy in India right now PERIOD. There is a source where can get Motul V300 costs 600 per litre or more if i get chance, will graqb 2 litres myself

4. I'll say NO.
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To Be or not to Be Indian is individual's choice!!

But Buy Indian- Run it like an Indian!!

I almost second the XBhp article for all Indian makes of two wheelers- be it 2strokes or 4!!
But there duration for a certain kmms is a bit too long!!

What - not only me but other similar minded riders- have found is that when u take it slow thru the running in period segments, the bike does run in well but it kinda ensures more longetivity!!
Suck bikes are not able to do as high top speeds compared to bikes that have done similar total running in period but with a more steady increase in speeds with more no. of smaller 'km' segments!!
They also feel a bit docile in acceleration!!

personally, i would suggest that everyone- esp regular riders- stick to the instructions in the owners manuals!!

A point to be noted is earlier bikes were asked to limit speeds to 40-50kmph for the first few hundred kms!!
Bikes like the Pulsar and Karizma are recommended to start crusing at 60 it self from dayone in their top gear- coz hi capacity single cylinder machines kinda struggle at a higher gear due to low rpms!!

Note that earlier most bikes were 4geared and hence rpm at same speed was higher!
Now with 5th gear, the same road speed will see lower rpms!!
This makes the engine go below its power band and it struggles to maintain momentum or accelerate cleanly!!
(O/T- yes, most riders/drivers believe in quickshifting to top gear thinking that top gear= top speed which is true in way but ony when they have accelerated well thru lower gears to reach that top speed earlier!!
Result- dead throttle- long wait for speed to pick up- waste of fuel and curses galore)

here is how i would prefer to run in
I would prefer to steadily up the pace every 400-500 kms!!
also i would do abt 500-1000kms extra than recommended!!
Also note that this is almost impossible to achieve in City limits due to which we would take rides/trips out of town just for the heck of running it in asap!!

These are staedy crusing speeds with a variation of 5-10kmph while riding!!
as mentioned in the article, holding speed for too long is also not that good!!
the upper limit is the speed u burst accelerate with proper throttle control!!
say u are supposed to do 40kmph-
do few mins steady at 40, then increse throttle slightly to do 50, then release throttle to slow down to 35, the again pick up to 40 and hold!!
Repeat!!

The burst acceleration will start after u have at least 500 kms on odometer!!
Now if u have reached a stage after 500kms where u can do 60kmph odd, u dont burst to 70 or 80 from the 60 itself!!
u gradually drop speed to a lower speed than 60 u can steadily do in the top gear, look for an opening if not on a clear road, now pick up speed fast by judiciously opening the throttle till speedo needle touches that mark and gradually ease throttle to come back at the cruising speed in that period!!
On an open empty road with no vehicles behind, one can actually almost let go of throttle to slow down on 2striokes and ease the throttle much faster on 4strokes!!
Never hold it at the burst speed limit!!

period of break-in> avg Cruising speed with slow
+/-5kmph by rider, burst speed(Platina/Karizma)
100kms> 40/55 kmph max in top gear(as per make)
100-500> 45/60 max in top gear, obviously much lower in lower gears
500-1000>50/65kmph, with ocassional bursts to 60/75
1000-1500>60/75, with bursts to 70/85
1500-2000>70/85, with bursts to 80/95
Break in almost over!!
over the next few hundred kms, u can do higher crusing speed and burst speeds, gradually increasing it, till you get an opportunity to max out one day!!

AFAIK, Bajaj has mentioned only 1000kms running in their manual for Pulsar 180!!
I will recheck platina, Pulsar and Karizma manuals and revise the speeds by +/- 5kmph soon, if need be!!

Earlier, 2strokes were required to do 1500-2000kms of running in!!
Always done 2.5-3k per bore, how many ever i changed(i used to go out of town to some nearby place just to finish it!! also much easier to floow speed patterns on the open Highway!!)

A rider is only as skilled as the 'Kms' on his Odo!!
And not every rider can understand his machine well!!

RiDe fast, RiDe safe(wear a helmet and at least a denim jacket riding boots, gloves when u go for those speed runs)!!

RegarDs,
Bikey!!

(p.s. Sunny- I am extremely sorry!! i do not agree with your points!!)
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Never REDLINE during breakin!!

In fact if u understand the break in speed limits, u are not supposed to go over a certain engine rpm in that gear, so the question of redlining doesnt even arise!!
Break-in speed limits in every gear or in top gear are there coz most riders in India are laymen who wont know knwo to read the rpm meter and adhere to rpms while keeping in mind what gear they are in!!
oo risky while commuting!!
so speed limits are simpler to follow!!

For the Mad Max- after 5000kms!!
That too if u r still in the powerband and are gunning for some trophy!!

Else too much REDLINing will leave you RED-Faced at th finish line!!

Petroleum oil- mineral oil- usual cheap engine oils!!
Synthetic oils are available as-
Full synthetic- Mobil1, Castrol Syntron, Shell Advance Ultra,...
Semisynthetic- Castrol GTX extra, Elf Moto4 Gold, ...
Regular- maybe IBP red, Laal ghoda, whatever, dunno...

I would stick to manufacturer recommended oils and periods for oil change for regular user!!
Same oil but more frequent oil change( maybe at half the kms recommended) for power user!!

Coz full synthetic oils are quite expensive and no one is sure of their change intervals for our indian bikes- the limits are mentioned for 4 wheelers or SBKs abroad!!
Also certain additives might cause clutch slippage severely hampering rideability and life and limb too!!

So use oil from reputed brand of recommended oil and rating!!
Change more often!!
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moto4 gold is semi synthetic?????? hmmm....

saw some motul V3000. made in india. avoided it....

Actually I got my rebore done very professionally....set with exact 30 microns clearance for my 5 speed and 27-28 for my 4 speed 4 speed givin me runin probs due to less clearance too tight for me


abt the points, i dont mind coz what i have said has worked for me...twice!!!!

OT : BTW bikey, got some new secret liquid, eats carbon for breakfast look @ the ports of my 5 speed get me on Yahoo NOW!!! MSN down for me....

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